Kaj: Welcome to this special edition of the KJ Master Class Live, where we make sure you profit from your time by gaining insights, information, or learning from the best. Today, we are honored to have Owen O' Suan, a multifaceted artist, leadership coach, and an expert in philosophy and the performing arts. He's renowned for his work as a singer, composer, and speaker. Welcome to the show, Owen!
Owen: Namaste and greetings to all our friends in India and around the world. It's a great honor to be here, making the Celtic-Vedic connection!
Kaj: Welcome to the show, Owen, and to India in this online space. We’re excited to dive into today’s topic—"Celtic Wisdom for Modern Times." But before we do, could you share a bit about your journey for our listeners? I’m sure there's so much to learn from it.
Owen: I'd love to, but instead of getting bogged down in the details right away, let me begin with a poem. This poem is from a collection my brother wrote called Early Music. It's called Thr Dánam (Old Gaelic for "The Journey of Your Soul"). It honors that invisible part of us—the soul.
You see, my brother is currently flying from Ireland to New Jersey, where his wife, Namrata Desai, a brilliant graphic artist, is from. She even designed the cover of his book, depicting an ancient Celtic shield that was found in a ceremonial lake in Ireland.
This poem speaks to the idea of making a pause in life—a clearing where we can allow space for our soul to catch up in this busy world. Let me read it to you.
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Kaj: That was truly beautiful and powerful. So, do we need to catch up with our soul, or does the soul need to catch up with us?
Owen: It's a paradox. I believe it starts by doing the opposite of what we think—by beginning not with action but with a pause. In Irish tradition, my father, who was a great musician, would often start rehearsals by saying, "Shall we begin with a break and have a cup of tea?" There's wisdom in that.
We are experts in our own lives; we’ve attended all the “masterclasses” life has offered us. Now, it's time to take a step back and invite the part of us—the soul—that cannot be forced. It won’t come through pushing, but through invitation, through allowing space. In doing so, the soul will catch up in its own time.
Kaj: That’s such a profound thought. It reminds me that sometimes we do need to slow down to truly reconnect with ourselves. Is that why the unknown or mystery is so often linked to spiritual and soul work?
Owen: Absolutely. There’s great power in not knowing, in humility, in saying, "I don't know." The soul's journey is not something we can fully understand or define. It’s different for everyone. There’s no course or pill for this, and each of us must discover what it means in our own way.
Kaj: You mentioned that the story of the soul evolves over a lifetime. How do you see that journey changing, and what does it mean to allow your soul to catch up with you?
Owen: Absolutely! Our journeys are dynamic. The ways I connected with my soul a year ago are different from today. As humans, we are in a constant state of learning, adapting to new ways while sometimes letting go of what no longer serves us. It’s an ongoing process of discovery.
Kaj: That's a profound perspective. Now, let’s talk about Ireland. Many people have heard of it, but what makes Ireland so special? You often talk about the genius of Ireland—why does the world need more of it today?
Owen: Ireland is fascinating, especially when you compare it to larger countries like India or the United States. It's a small island, but it carries immense cultural weight. It’s located off the west coast of Europe, about 400 miles into the North Atlantic Ocean. Despite its size, it’s incredibly fertile and has a temperate climate. While it rarely freezes, it’s green all year round, making it an inviting landscape.
Kaj: What about the culture? How does Ireland’s geography influence its culture and hospitality?
Owen: Great question! The geography of Ireland shapes its culture profoundly. The island is often seen as a safe harbor amid the wild North Atlantic. We have a saying: "Céad Míle Fáilte," which means “A hundred thousand welcomes.” It reflects our deeply rooted culture of hospitality. You can find comfort and safety in Ireland; it’s a place where you can truly relax and feel at home.
Kaj: That sounds beautiful! What about the creative energy in Ireland? How has it contributed to global arts and imagination?
Owen: Ireland has an extraordinarily generative and creative energy. Despite having just 5 million people, our contributions to the arts—literature, film, music, and dance—are globally significant. From authors like James Joyce to modern filmmakers, Ireland continuously impacts global creativity. Historically, it’s been a place of pilgrimage for those seeking a higher understanding, where creativity and spirituality intertwine.
Kaj: So, there’s a deep connection between creativity and spirituality in Irish culture?
Owen: Absolutely! For thousands of years, Ireland has been a destination for those on spiritual journeys, seeking inspiration and higher knowledge. This tradition continues today, with many visiting to engage in creative and spiritual experiences. It’s a unique blend that nourishes both the mind and the soul.
Kaj: Thank you, Owen. Your insights on the soul's journey and the heart of Ireland provide a rich understanding of both concepts.
Kaj: Today, we’re diving into the incredible essence of Ireland and how it connects to our personal journeys. I hear you've had some profound experiences with participants in your Irish retreats. Can you tell us about that?
Interviewee: Absolutely! I received a beautiful image from a participant showing vegetation growing out of gray rock. She expressed how transformative her experience was in Ireland, describing it as a creatively generative journey. It’s remarkable how many people feel a similar call to express parts of themselves that have been waiting to emerge, especially in such a nurturing environment.
Kaj: It sounds like Ireland has a unique energy. What is this "Genius of Ireland" that you believe can help the modern world today?
Interviewee: Great question! Ireland serves as a counterbalance to the Western modern imagination, which often focuses on linear progress and visible results. In contrast, Ireland embodies the idea of spirals—dynamism, movement, and change. The ever-changing weather there teaches us about adaptability. One minute it’s sunny, the next it’s raining, and this constant flux invites us to embrace change as part of our worldview. This contrasts sharply with the rigid structures of the Western mind, making Ireland a place rich in mystery and imagination.
Kaj: That’s fascinating! So, is this genius limited to just the physical landscape of Ireland, or can we find it elsewhere?
Interviewee: I love this question because it touches on the metaphorical aspect of what I’m saying. When I talk about Ireland, I’m really referring to the “Ireland within us.” It's not just about the geographic location; it’s about the inner journey and the imagination. As poet William Butler Yeats once expressed, the essence of Ireland can be found in our hearts. Even amidst chaos, we can access that serene place within us.
Kaj: You mentioned loneliness and the concept of being “islands of loneliness.” How can we cultivate connections and happiness instead?
Interviewee: Last night, I watched a retelling of Greek mythology featuring Prometheus, who stole fire from the gods to give it to humanity. While technology has connected us, it can also confine us, leading to feelings of isolation. The antidote to loneliness is simple: spend quality time with people in person. The energy exchanged in face-to-face interactions—whether through a cup of tea or a walk in nature—is irreplaceable. It’s essential to acknowledge these feelings of loneliness as a normal part of our technological society.
Kaj: That's a powerful reminder! So what can we do to reconnect with others and nature in this digital age?
Interviewee: There are two straightforward actions: first, go outside—immerse yourself in nature. Whether it’s a forest or a park, just step out. Second, reach out to someone—call a friend or invite someone over for coffee. Those simple acts can significantly impact our sense of connection and belonging.
Kaj: Thank you for those practical tips! Before we wrap up, do you have any final thoughts on how Ireland’s spirit can inspire us?
Interviewee: Absolutely! The Genius of Ireland reminds us that there’s magic in the world, waiting to be accessed. It’s about reconnecting with our true selves and finding peace amidst the noise. Whether in the rolling hills of Ireland or the busy streets of our lives, that inner Ireland is always within reach. All we need to do is listen and allow ourselves to be transported to that place of serenity.
Kaj: Thank you for this enlightening conversation! Your insights on the connection between Ireland’s spirit and our personal journeys are truly inspiring.
Kaj: Thank you for joining us today. I want to delve into a profound topic you've touched upon—love and separation. You mentioned that there was a curse, leading people to be separated from their loved ones. Can you elaborate on this concept?
Owen: Absolutely, Kaj. The idea is that people have become so disconnected from their true selves in the modern world, often driven by greed and technology. This separation manifests as a longing for the other half, not just in romantic terms but in our spiritual essence. We’re looking for ways to reconnect with our souls, and that's crucial for our well-being.
Kaj: That's a powerful perspective. How does the Inner Soul Circle aim to bridge this gap between the soul and individuals?
Owen: My work focuses on bringing people together through performance, song, poetry, and conversation. In group settings, I create an environment where participants engage in heartfelt dialogues. Initially, there may be some discomfort, but soon, the room ignites with conversation. It’s a transformative experience, and we foster this sense of community to help individuals reconnect with themselves and others.
Kaj: It sounds like a beautiful process. Can you describe how the Inner Soul Circle functions?
Owen: Certainly! We’ve developed a monthly membership community called the Inner Soul Circle. For $32 a month, members receive a monthly reflection tied to the Celtic calendar, which highlights the seasonality within us. We send out poetry, songs, and mythological stories, creating a rich tapestry of shared experiences. Our gatherings include pre-recorded teachings and live Zoom calls, where we encourage participants to engage in meaningful conversations.
Kaj: It seems like a wonderful way to build connections! And I understand you've had a great response to this initiative?
Owen: Yes, we’ve seen tremendous growth—over 140 members now. This community has blossomed into a supportive network where friendships form, and members can attend live events or visit us in Ireland. It’s been a heartwarming project, and I’m incredibly proud of the impact it has on people’s lives.
Kaj: That’s truly inspiring. Shifting gears, as a leadership coach, what advice would you offer leaders who are grappling with today’s challenges, including climate issues?
Owen: Great question, Kaj. I’m currently writing a book on this. My primary advice is for leaders to take a step back and reflect on their deeper purpose. Many are caught in the urgency of their roles, but true leadership requires time for introspection. Scheduling moments of stillness, even if brief, is crucial.
Kaj: That’s insightful. And what else can leaders do to elevate their leadership journey?
Owen: Beyond reflection, I encourage leaders to invest in coaching. Finding a coach who resonates with them can facilitate breakthroughs in their understanding of leadership. This partnership allows leaders to articulate their visions and challenges more clearly, unlocking their potential.
Kaj: Those are valuable insights, Owen. How can interested individuals learn more about your work and the Inner Soul Circle?
Owen: They can visit my website at aistonhim.com, which translates to "Journey of the Soul" in Irish. It’s a great way to connect with me or my team, share reflections, or ask questions about our work. I’m always eager to engage with others and hear their thoughts.
Kaj: Thank you, Owen, for sharing your wisdom and insights today. It’s been a pleasure having you!
Owen: Thank you, Kaj! I appreciate the opportunity to share my journey and hope to inspire others along the way.
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